A few software tweaks and a new chip but just as expensive. Answer me this mac apologists: You’re all for demanding mac versions of Google Apps and all these techcrunch hyped apps like Riya et al. Do you support the demand for PC versions of iLife and Garageband? If Apple truly believed their own hype about their great computers then they should release pc versions of their apps. Apple appear to do good software as a sweetner to bring people to their platform, which is a nice technique, so why complain then when there are PC only version of software applications?
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Mac users who demand versions of Google’s crummy apps deserve to have their wish granted as punishment. Apple has iLife, Google has Google Pack. You get what you pay for.
Personally I’ll stick with iLife, and no soup for the Windows folks suits me just fine.
When only the title of your post is right..
Obviously having not read my Curb your Macworld enthusiasm post Damien asks if Mac users support the porting of iLife to Windows since they spend so much time bitching about other companies porting their applications to the Mac.
I’m sure a voca…
I appear to be the only “mac apologist” here so far, so I’ll try my best:
A few software tweaks and a new chip but just as expensive.
Yes, quite a disappointment. But we’ve yet to see what crops up with the Intel iBooks.
Answer me this mac apologists: You’re all for demanding mac versions of Google Apps and all these techcrunch hyped apps like Riya et al.
Do you support the demand for PC versions of iLife and Garageband?
If there’s one thing for sure in the computer industry, it’s that the Wintel companies will swiftly copy Apple innovations. Why should Apple bother in this case?
If Apple truly believed their own hype about their great computers then they should release pc versions of their apps.
See above. iTunes and Quicktime are both available for Windows, but only to facilitate Apple’s multimedia technology.
Apple appear to do good software as a sweetner to bring people to their platform, which is a nice technique, so why complain then when there are PC only version of software applications?
As in what? Please elaborate.
If there’s one thing for sure in the computer industry, it’s that the Wintel companies will swiftly copy Apple innovations. Why should Apple bother in this case?
Windows (even Vista), the iPod clones like the new Zen, the PowerBook clones, the G3 iMac clones, the Sony Connect software, Google’s Picasa, the latest Adobe Premiere, the Mac Mini clones, etcetc.
heh heh heh. It’s a good point.
Brave man taking the piss out of the Apple zombies, they’re like cornered ferrets when someone attacks their pissy computer and software. Apple users are blind snobs who will defend Steve Jobs to their dying second. Emperors new clothes anyone? Let Garage Band and iLife remain on the mac, no need for that crap on a pc when there are so many other apps out there that do the same and better.
Let Garage Band and iLife remain on the mac, no need for that crap on a pc when there are so many other apps out there that do the same and better.
Brave words. Which ones, exactly?
Let’s get something clear, Damien, you just wanted to boost your hit rate, didn’t you? 😉
EWI, you critise Sony for copying Apple’s iTunes when Apple just bought software which they made into iTunes. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, but lets not kid ourselves Apple rip off people too. That’s how the world works.
For Christsakes Apple only exists because they ripped off what they say at Xerox PARC way back when.
EWI, you critise Sony for copying Apple’s iTunes when Apple just bought software which they made into iTunes.
I know. The same for FCP, and DVDSP, and the iPod itself. Yet it’s Apple that put in the degree of obsessive perfectionism (the Jobs Factor) that made these products the envy of non-Mac users. And they’ve come up with a computing experience that’s a joy to use and a relief after Windows.
Yet others bought programs, too, and they’ve yet to match the excellence of Apple software. My question stands – what Windows-only programs can people point to as being of a quality similar to Apple’s? So far, I’m not hearing any candidates being put forward.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, but lets not kid ourselves Apple rip off people too. That’s how the world works.
For Christsakes Apple only exists because they ripped off what they say at Xerox PARC way back when.
I don’t deny it. But *Microsoft* ripped off Xerox Parc’s WIMP concept too, and look at what *they* came up with. There’s a fundamental difference there in vision, and MS just don’t get how important quality work is. It wasn’t until NT/95 that they caught up and surpassed Apple in terms of the OS, and that only because Copland was so horrendously mismanaged by a non-Jobs personality.
(Yes, I know Jobs’ reputation as an egotistical pr*ck. )
I use a Mac at home and I’m in windows-land at work. My desktop Dell freezes every now and then and at home I often get the beachball on the Mac.
Xp is very stable and so is Tiger. Both have large suppliers of apps – I like iPhoto but miss DVD-shrink.
But there is a cult of apple – since Tiger was isntalled there have been many updates but these seem to be perceived as good even though they are bug-fixes. Similar updates from MS are viewed as signs that MS products are unreliable and poorly-thought out. Head along to macfixit.com after a software update is released and read through the posts about what damage the update caused…
Why did anyone think the new intel based Macs would be cheaper. PPC chips are cheaper per chip than their Intel cousins. If anything the Macs would be more expensive. Were you planning to buy one?
I DO think Apple should produce PC versions of their iLife software but only when Microsoft releases Mac versions of essential business software like Access, Project, Visio and Outlook. Don’t you think that’s a reasonable trade-off? It’s what stops many people from using their Macs in business.
Whether Google et al release Mac versions is up to their business model. Google see a disproportionate amount of Mac traffic so I’m sure their Mac love-in is based entirely on business reasons.
(Gets kinda tiring pointing out that Apple PAID FOR ACCESS to PARC. Xerox made a fortune out of their payment (Apple Shares). Microsoft stole the code from the Mac toolbox to make Windows under the pretense that they were developing apps for the Mac when they were given a pre-release Mac.)
This divisiveness is counter-productive. At the end of the day there is now but one division in the market. The Unixen and the Windows. Do we REALLY have to start name calling? Labelling people as “Apple zombies” isn’t going to make them like you. Ever think that some “Apple zombies” (Om Malik, Bill Joy, Tim O’Reilly, James Gosling, J. Duncan Davidson, Paul Graham) may not be “blind snobs” but might actually be making informed technical decisions?
I can buy Windows. I have the certifications. I choose not to. I choose to buy Apple products. If you’re happy with Windows then…..why do you feel the need to call me names? Are you insecure about your platform choice? Come on, talk about it….
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I have supported Macs and PCs, but one thing I’ve noticed is that Mac users tend to be rabid. Make any, even slight, criticism of a Mac and you’re likely to have a knife plunged into your back before you can blink.
Consequently I have no respect for Mac users or products with the Apple logo on. However good an ipod may be, I’ll never buy one.
Once Apple were great hardware innovators, but I feel they lost direction and after adopting IDE drives, USB, PCI, and now Intel processors the computer is effectively an ‘IBM compatible’ PC.
As others have mentioned, the operating system isn’t perfect. Apple had nowhere to go with the ‘old’ Mac OS, it was perhaps fortunate that NeXT provided them with a way forward. But early ‘Rhapsody’ abortions gave way to what was essentially an OS X that was still in beta, and even Tiger still has issues, as far as I understand.
What I like about most of the 97% of the population that use Windows is that they generally just get on with using their computer. Even the real techies don’t generally go on about their wild graphics card or overclocked processor. And PC users do have the advantage of wasting money on endless fancy cases with glowing innards.
It would have been very surprising if the new Mac was cheaper than the iBook. G4s are very, very cheap, while Intel’s Core Duo and P-M chips are quite expensive (and the mobile Celeron is not good enough; it would tarnish Apple’s image to sell such battery-hungry tat). This seems to be about the same price range as the other few Core Duo laptops announced thus far.
Apple target a certain market, and they don’t make budget computers. This isn’t really a problem; the companies that feed the lunatic-fringe gamer market sell worse things for more money, and draw less criticism.
A lot of people like their Macs, and quite few Mac users would be unwilling to change to a PC. I know I’ll never go back to Linux as a desktop operating system, and I wouldn’t even consider Windows.