Barr Tribunal Report Index
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 1 - Introduction
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 2 - Terms of Reference and Interpretation
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 3 - John Carthy - Background
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 4 - The Events of 19th and 20th April 2000
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 5 - The Final Minutes — John Carthy’s Exit from the House and Subsequent Fatal Shooting
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 6 - The Management of the Incident at Abbeylara — Siege Management Principles
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 7 - The Aftermath — Post-Mortem, Forensic and Ballistic Examination
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 8 - Conclusions
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 9 - The Media
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 10 - Rank and Structure in the Garda Siochana and the Role of the Emergency Response Unit
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 11 - Less Lethal Weapons
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 12 - Police Practice in Other Jurisdictions
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 13 - Gun licensing Law and related matters
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 14 - Victim Provoked Police Shooting — ‘‘Suicide by Cop’’
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 15 - Recommendations
Barr Tribunal Report Chapter 16 - Costs
Barr Tribunal Report Appendix 1
Barr Tribunal Report Appendix 2
Barr Tribunal Report Appendix 3
Barr Tribunal Report Appendix 4
Barr Tribunal Report Appendix 7

APPENDIX 4 Key Persons

A. The Carthy family

 

1. Rose Carthy. John Carthy’s mother and widow of resides at Toneymore, Abbeylara. She is a sister of resides at Toneymore, Abbeylara.

 

2. Marie Carthy. John Carthy’s sister and only sibling. Abbeylara in April, 2000 she resided in Galway.

the late John Carthy Senior, Ann Nancy Walsh who also

At the time of the events at

 

B. The Walsh family

1.      Ann (Nancy) Walsh. Rose Carthy’s sister and mother of Thomas Walsh, Ann Walsh, Patricia Mahon, Rosaleen Mahon and Maura Flynn. Resides in the house referred to in the report as ‘‘Walsh’s house’’. Rose Carthy went to her sister’s house on leaving her own home at the beginning of the incident. The house was evacuated during the incident.

2.      Thomas Walsh. John Carthy’s first cousin. Was based in Cork in April, 2000. Travelled to Abbeylara on the evening of 1 9th April, 2000 following a request from his family. He was brought to the negotiation point on two occasions during the incident and attempted to make contact with the subject.

3.      Ann Walsh. John Carthy’s first cousin. Resides at Toneymore, Abbeylara in the house referred to in the report as ‘‘Farrell’s house’’. Was present in Walsh’s house in the early stages of the incident.

4.      Rosaleen Mahon. John Carthy’s first cousin. Was present in Walsh’s house in the early stages of the incident.

5.      Patricia Mahon. John Carthy’s first cousin. Resides on the Coole Road, Abbeylara. Rose Carthy and the occupants of Walsh’s house stayed in her house for the duration of the incident following their evacuation from Toneymore.

6.      Maura Flynn. John Carthy’s first cousin.


C.       Neighbours

1.         Alice Farrell. Next-door neighbour of the Carthy’s (on the Springtown side). Resides in the house referred to in the report as ‘‘Farrell’s house’’. The house was evacuated during the incident.

2.         Michael Burke. Next-door neighbour of the Carthy’s (on the Abbeylara side) since 1996. Resides in the house referred to in the report as ‘‘Burke’s house’’. His house was also evacuated during the incident.

D.       Friends

1.      Martin Shelly. Also known as ‘‘Pepper’’. A friend and former work colleague of John Carthy in Galway. He travelled to the scene from Galway with Marie Carthy on the evening of 19th April, 2000. He was brought to the negotiation point during the incident and attempted to make contact with the subject.

2.      Patricia Leavy. Originally from Abbeylara. A close friend of the Carthy family. Accompanied Marie Carthy to the scene on the night of the incident.

3.      Sean Farrell. John Carthy’s second cousin. Described as someone the subject looked up to. He was brought to the negotiation point during the incident and attempted to make contact with John Carthy.

4.      Kevin Ireland. A friend and former work colleague of John Carthy in Galway. The subject telephoned him in Galway on 20th April, 2000. On foot of this call, Kevin Ireland contacted the gardaı´ in Granard.

E.      Medical personnel

1.      Dr. Patrick Cullen, a general practitioner, practising at Coole, County Westmeath. He qualified in 1980 and spent four years in general hospital medicine. Apart from general medical training he did not have any specific training in psychiatric medicine. Dr. Cullen commenced practice in Coole in 1984. John Carthy became a patient of his in 1988.

2.      Dr. John McGeown, a consultant psychiatrist, attached to St. Loman’s hospital, Mullingar. St. Loman’s is a psychiatric hospital. Dr. McGeown’s services formed part of the psychiatric service provided by the Midland Health Board at that time, which included St. Loman’s in-patient hospital and an out-patient or day clinic at Granard.

3.      Dr. Niall Donohoe, a general practitioner, practising at Granard from 1991. Mr. Carthy was not a regular patient of his but he attended him on a number of occasions when Dr. Cullen was unavailable. Dr. Donohoe was aware that the


latter was John Carthy’s doctor. He was called to the scene on 20th April, 2000 and pronounced John Carthy dead at 6:11 p.m.

4.         Dr. Gerard Meagher, a general practitioner, practising with Dr. Cullen at Coole.

5.         Dr. David Shanley, a consultant psychiatrist, attached to St. Patrick’s hospital and St. James’s hospital, Dublin. At the time of his evidence to the Tribunal he had been a consultant attached to St. Patrick’s and St. James’s for twenty-five years, treating public and private patients on a routine basis. John Carthy was referred to him by his general practitioner, Dr. Cullen, by letter dated 4th April, 1995. Following this referral, Dr. Shanley saw the subject for the first time on 11th April, 1995. He diagnosed him with bipolar affective disorder and prescribed lithium, in addition to the medication he was already taking. He last saw John Carthy on 11th June, 1999, though he had telephone contact with persons on his behalf in January/February, 2000, when his prescription was changed. In early April, 2000 an appointment was made by Marie Carthy for her brother to attend Dr. Shanley at 2:00 p.m. on 20th April, 2000, the second day of the siege. He was contacted by gardaı´ on the morning of 20th April, 2000. He came to the scene in the afternoon. He was in a car on the roadway outside Walsh’s house when John Carthy was fatally shot.

6.         Dr. Desmond Bluett, a general practitioner, practising at Castlelawn Medical Centre, Galway. John Carthy attended his surgery during 1999 and 2000 while living in Galway.

7.         Dr. Dympna Horgan, a general practitioner, practising in Galway. She covered on an ‘‘out-of-hours’’ basis for Dr. Bluett. She saw John Carthy at a garda station in Galway on 20th February, 2000 after his arrest under the Mental Treatment Act, 1945.

F. Members of An Garda Sı´ocha´na

The following is a list of the key garda personnel involved in the incident at Abbeylara. All references to rank are as at the time of the incident.

1. Senior officers

1.1 Superintendent Joseph Shelly. A superintendent since 1996 and the district officer for the Mullingar district since February, 2000. He was the scene commander at Abbeylara from 7: 00 p.m. until midnight on the 1 9th April, 2000 and from 9:00 a.m. up to the time of the ending of the incident on the 20th April, 2000. The Mullingar district does not cover the Abbeylara area.

1.2 Superintendent Michael Byrne. A superintendent since 1998 and the district officer for the Granard district since August, 1999. This district covers the Abbeylara area. He was in Dublin when the incident commenced and


Superintendent Shelly agreed to act in the role of scene commander in his absence. Superintendent Byrne attended at the scene on the night of 1 9th April, 2000 and assumed the role of scene commander between midnight and 9:00 a.m. on the following day.

1.3 Chief Superintendent Patrick Tansey. Chief Superintendent since 1996 and the divisional officer for the Longford/ Westmeath division based at Mullingar. Granard, Athlone, Longford and Mullingar districts are within this division. He attended at the scene and was involved in the decision to request the deployment of the Emergency Response Unit.

1.4 Assistant Commissioner Tony Hickey. Assistant Commissioner responsible for the eastern region including the Longford/Westmeath division since 1997. Based at Mullingar, County Westmeath. He attended at the scene and was involved in the decision to request the deployment of the Emergency Response Unit.

1.5 Inspector Martin Maguire. Based in Longford town. Acting district officer for the Granard district on 19th April, 2000. He assisted the scene commanders, having responsibility for the uniformed personnel on the outer cordons at Abbeylara.

1.6 Superintendent John Farrelly. Garda press officer who was in charge of liaising with the media at the scene.

2. Emergency Response Unit Officers

The ERU has its origins in the special task force which was established in 1978, following a decision of Justice Ministers at the ninth council of the EEC at Brussels in 1975. The special task force was based in Dublin and it formed part of the special detective unit. This unit was renamed the Emergency Response Unit in 1987. The duties of the ERU include armed support during criminal/subversive operations and specialist search techniques including forced entry. The membership of the unit consists exclusively of serving members of An Garda Sı´ocha´na. The unit undergoes intensive training including proficiency in firearms, tactics, specialist skills, physical fitness and hostage rescue. Members of the unit, including those present at Abbeylara, received training with police forces in other countries, including the United States, Germany and the United Kingdom.

2.1 Detective Sergeant Michael Jackson. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na since 1980 and the Emergency Response Unit since 1986. Promoted to the rank of sergeant and subsequently to detective sergeant in 1996. Rejoined the ERU as a detective sergeant in 1998. Attended a negotiators course at the London Metropolitan Police in March, 2000. He was the negotiator at Abbeylara. He discharged two shots at John Carthy, both of which struck him in the leg.


2.2 Detective Garda Michael Sullivan. Member of the Emergency Response Unit since 1994 and a garda with over 18 years’ service. Was delegated the duty of negotiator’s assistant at Abbeylara. He was not trained as a negotiator. He attempted to negotiate with John Carthy when the negotiator, Detective Sergeant Jackson, availed of rest periods during the incident.

2.3 Detective Sergeant Gerard Russell. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na since 1980. From 1986 to 1989 he was a member of the security task force based at Harcourt Square, Dublin. He joined the Emergency Response Unit in 1989. In August, 1995 he was promoted to the rank of sergeant. He returned to the ERU as a detective sergeant in August, 1998. Prior to joining the garda he trained as a psychiatric nurse at St. Loman’s Hospital Mullingar. He qualified but did not practise as a psychiatric nurse. He was the team leader of the Emergency Response Unit which was deployed to Abbeylara. He arrived there at 9:50 p.m. on 19th April, 2000.

2.4 Detective Garda Oliver Flaherty. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na since 1986 and the Emergency Response Unit since 1993. He was deployed to Abbeylara and arrived at approximately 9:50 p.m. on 19th April, 2000.

2.5 Detective Garda Anthony Ryan. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na since 1992 and the Emergency Response Unit since 1998. He was deployed to Abbeylara and arrived at approximately 9:50 p.m. on 19th April, 2000.

2.6 Detective Garda Ronan Carey. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na since 1992 and the Emergency Response Unit since 1998. He was deployed to Abbeylara and arrived at approximately 9:50 p.m. on 19th April, 2000.

2.7 Detective Garda Aidan McCabe. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na since 1989 and the Emergency Response Unit since 1993. He was deployed to Abbeylara and arrived there at approximately 1:00 p.m. on 20th April, 2000. He discharged two shots at John Carthy, one of which proved to be fatal.

2.8 Detective Garda William Sisk. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na since 1993 and the Emergency Response Unit since 1998. He was deployed to Abbeylara and arrived at approximately 1:00 p.m. on 20th April, 2000.

2.9 Detective Garda Joseph Finnegan. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na since 1987 and the Emergency Response Unit since 1998. He was deployed to Abbeylara and arrived at approximately 1:00 p.m. on 20th April, 2000.

3. Local armed officers

3.1 Detective Sergeant Aidan Foley. Based in Athlone. Appointed a detective sergeant in 1998. He was the senior armed local officer at the scene. He arrived at the scene at approximately 7:15 p.m. on 19th April, 2000 and, together with other local armed officers, formed part of the inner cordon prior to the arrival


of the Emergency Response Unit. He was on the road near the ESB pole at the Carthy/Burke boundary when John Carthy exited the house on 20th April, 2000. Also present in that area at this time were Garda Eugene Boland, Detective Garda James Campbell, Detective Garda John Quinn and Garda John Gibbons.

3.2 Garda Eugene Boland. Based in Athlone. He was armed at the scene and, together with other local armed officers, also formed part of the inner cordon prior to the arrival of the Emergency Response Unit. He too was on the road near the ESB pole at the Carthy/Burke boundary when John Carthy exited the house on 20th April, 2000. Also present in that area at this time were Detective Sergeant Aidan Foley, Detective Garda James Campbell, Detective Garda John Quinn and Garda John Gibbons.

3.3 Detective Garda James Campbell. Based in Granard. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na for more than 25 years. He was deployed to the scene in the early stages of the incident and was involved in the second approach to the Carthy house on that evening. Attended at Dr. Cullen’s surgery at approximately 4:00 a.m. on 20th April, 2000 and received a number of medical reports on John Carthy’s medical condition which he passed on to the negotiator. He was also near the command vehicle when John Carthy emerged from his house.

3.4 Garda John Gibbons. Based in Granard. Member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na for more than 27 years. Together with Garda White, he made the first approach to the Carthy house. He was armed. He was also in the vicinity of the command vehicle when John Carthy exited his house; Garda Gibbons was unarmed at that time.

4. Officers attached to the Ballistics Section

4.1 Detective Sergeant Seamus Quinn. Attached to ballistics section at the Garda Technical Bureau, Phoenix Park. He had over 24 years’ service. Travelling with Detective Sergeant Ennis, he arrived at Abbeylara after 9:00 p.m. on 20th April, 2000. He directed the retention of certain firearms for ballistic examination.

4.2 Detective Sergeant Patrick Ennis. Based at garda headquarters attached to the ballistic section in the Technical Bureau and a member of the Garda Sı´ocha´na for over 30 years. He travelled to Abbeylara with Detective Sergeant Seamus Quinn, arriving after 9:00 p.m. on 20th April and took up duty as the crime scene manager.


G.  The media

1.         Mr. Niall O’Flynn. Editor and producer of the RTE´ ‘‘Five/Seven Live’’ radio programme on 20th April, 2000. Conducted vox pop interviews on the afternoon of 20th April, 2000 in Abbeylara.

2.         Mr. Paul Reynolds. RTE´ Crime Correspondent.

3.         Mr. Myles Dungan. Presenter of RTE´ ‘‘Five/Seven Live’’ radio programme on 20th April, 2000.

4.         Ms Noeleen Leddy. Reporter with Shannonside radio. Attended at the scene in her capacity as a journalist. During the course of the incident she received information relating to the telephone call between John Carthy and Kevin Ireland which she brought to the attention of the gardaı´ at the scene.

H.    Expert witnesses (also described in detail elsewhere in the Report). 1. Police experts

Mr. Alan Bailey. Consultant on the police use of firearms, specialising in the analysis of shootings by police and the provision of expert advice and opinion. Mr. Bailey is the advisor to The Police Complaints Authority of England and Wales and has also provided advice to the office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland. He retired with the rank of superintendent having completed 30 years police service with Thames Valley Police and West Mercia Constabulary in England, 25 of which were involved in police use of firearms as a tactical firearms team member, a tactical advisor, firearms instructor and firearms incident commander. Mr. Bailey has taught firearms at operations and command levels in England and overseas. He was chief instructor of a national firearms school and managed the secretariat of the Association of the Chief Police Officers sub-committee on the police use of firearms. During his career as a police officer he was seconded to the Home Office to establish and command the critical incident management team which had national responsibility for command training and advice in the areas of firearms, sieges, disaster and civil emergencies. He holds a Bachelor of Education (honours) in the management of Firearms Training and a Master of Arts (Education) in judgment training for the police use of firearms. His PhD research is entitled ‘‘Analysis of Police Shootings: Learning Lessons for Commanders and Armed Officers.’’ He is the co-author of a Parliamentary Report into shootings by police in England and Wales between 1998 and 2001.

Dr. Ian MacKenzie. Chartered forensic and occupational psychologist working under the aegis of his own consultancy company Mandala Associates. Served as a police officer with the Metropolitan Police in London from 1960 to 1985, retiring with the rank of superintendent. From 1980 to 1987 he lectured on the metropolitan police negotiators course. Dr. McKenzie was also chief instructor


of policing skills at the Metropolitan Police Training School in Hendon, London. In addition he has been staff psychologist with the Fort Worth Police Department, Texas, USA where he was involved in training on matters of mental health and trained alongside the special weapons and tactics personnel (similar to the ERU in Ireland). On occasions he was deployed with SWAT teams and negotiating teams to siege situations. He holds a Bachelor of Arts (honours) and a Master of Philosophy in psychology and a PhD in the field of psychology and criminal justice. Dr. McKenzie has been a member of the committee of the Division of Forensic Psychology, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences. At the time of giving evidence to the Tribunal, Dr. McKenzie lectured on ethics and human rights in policing to senior investigating officers in England and Wales. Dr. McKenzie has published widely in his area of expertise. He is the managing editor of the International Journal of Police Science and Management and a member of the editorial board of the Journal of Police Crisis Negotiations.

Mr. Frederick J. Lanceley. Director of Crisis Negotiation Associates which provides instruction on crisis negotiation and related topics. He was a serving member of the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) from 1972 to 1993. Mr. Lanceley served as programme manager for the FBI’s Crisis Negotiation In-Service for 13 years and was a founder of the FBI’s Critical Incident Negotiation Team. His work included training, research and operational practice. Mr. Lanceley has participated in the resolution of several hundred domestic and international aircraft hijackings, barricade and suicide situations, prison riots, hostage-takings and kidnappings. He is a member of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers and an honorary life member of the Californian Association of Hostage Negotiators. Mr. Lanceley’s many publications include a book entitled ‘‘On-Scene Guide for Crisis Negotiators.’’

Mr. Michael Burdis. Retired detective chief superintendent, South Yorkshire Police. In addition to other duties Mr. Burdis trained as a hostage negotiator and was a member of the national negotiation team established in the wake of the Iranian Embassy siege in London. He was also trained and qualified to manage incidents where firearms were being used by offenders or hostage takers. He has been appointed to numerous Home Office working parties and committees mostly in relation to the investigation of crime and, in particular, homicide. In 1997 he was appointed as special advisor to the MacPherson Inquiry; the inquiry into the death of Stephen Lawrence, following which he was appointed to assist Her Majesty’s Inspector of Constabulary in reviewing over 230 undetected cases of murder ranging over a ten year period in the London area. Mr. Burdis has lectured on the subject of major crime investigations to officers of all ranks throughout England and Wales. In 1983 Mr. Burdis received the police long service and good conduct medal; in 1994 he received the Queen’s commendation for brave conduct; and, in 1999 he was awarded the Queen’s police medal for distinguished service. Since retiring, Mr. Burdis has


been engaged by the Home Office as an independent consultant. Mr. Burdis was proposed to the Tribunal as an expert witness by the Carthy family.

Mr. Ray Shuey. Former assistant commissioner of the Victoria Police in Australia.

Superintendent Neville Matthews. Superintendent with the New Zealand Police.

Mr. Robert K. Leatherdale. Former assistant commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Sergeant David Lee. A specialist police dog supervisor with the West Mercia Constabulary. He has been a police officer since 1981 and a dog handler since 1986. Sergeant Lee is a Home Office, police dog instructor and has been involved in the development of police dogs as a less lethal tactical option at firearms incidents.

2. Medical experts

Dr. David Shanley. Consultant psychiatrist, attached to St. Patrick’s hospital and St. James’s hospital, Dublin. John Carthy was referred to him by his general practitioner, Dr. Cullen, in 1995. He was John Carthy’s consultant psychiatrist at the time of the incident. John Carthy was due to see him in Dublin at 2:00 p.m. on 20th April, 2000.

Professor Jack Phillips. Consultant neurosurgeon at Beaumont hospital, Dublin and Associate Professor of surgery in the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin with expertise in injuries and diseases of the brain and spinal cord.

Professor Christopher Milroy. Professor of Forensic Pathology at University of Sheffield, and a consultant pathologist to the Home Office. At the time of giving his evidence to the Tribunal, he was also the Chairman of the Royal College of Pathology. Professor Milroy is regularly instructed by the police federation and families in cases of deaths involving the police. He was proposed to the Tribunal as an expert witness by the Carthy family.

Dr. John Sheehan. MRCPsych., FRCPI., Consultant psychiatrist, Mater hospital, Dublin. Dr. Sheehan is also a lecturer in psychiatry in the department of adult psychiatry in University College Dublin. As a consultant he provides psychiatric care to both in-patients and out-patients in the Mater hospital. He lectures inter alia, on the assessment of suicide and deliberate self-harm and depression.

Dr. Douglas Turkington. M.D., FRC Psych., Consultant Psychiatrist and Senior Lecturer in Liaison Psychiatry, based at the Department of Psychiatry, Royal Victoria Infirmary, Newcastle upon Tyne, U.K. In an academic capacity he is attached to the Department of Psychiatry, School of Neurosciences, Neurology and Psychiatry, University of Newcastle upon Tyne. His research and teaching


are based around self-harm and suicide as well as the treatment of psychotic disorders with CBT. As part of his clinical responsibilities Dr. Turkington heads the ‘‘Self-Harm Team’’ and has knowledge of incidents where the issue of homicide initiated by the victim i.e. ‘suicide by cop’ has arisen. He delivers risk assessment and risk management training across the Tyne and Wear area (including training on the management of patients expressing suicidal ideation) to mental health staff, local authority staff, Samaritans, general practitioners and to the local police force. As part of his training of the police, he gives specific focus to the recognition and management of victim initiated homicide.

Dr. Harry Kennedy. MD., FRCPsych., FRCPI., Consultant forensic psychiatrist and clinical director at the National Forensic Mental Health Service, Central Mental hospital, Dublin and visiting psychiatrist at Mountjoy and Cloverhill prisons. Dr. Kennedy is also a clinical senior lecturer in forensic psychiatry at Trinity College Dublin. He has training and experience in the assessment and treatment of those who are violent and mentally disordered. He has published work on homicide and suicide, hostage takers, the therapeutic uses of security, and on the relationship between fear and anger in abnormal mental states. He is the principal organiser for teaching in risk management and personal safety for psychiatrists in training and as part of continuing professional development for consultants. Dr. Kennedy was proposed to the Tribunal as an expert witness by the Commissioner of An Garda Sı´ocha´na.

Professor Tom Fahy. MD., MRCPsych., MPhil., Professor of Forensic Mental Health, Department of Psychological Medicine, Institute of Psychiatry, King’s College, London and consultant psychiatrist with the Lambeth Community forensic team. His academic work is largely focused on evaluating new treatments and methods of service delivery for community based patients at high risk of violence to others. As a consultant with the Lambeth Community Forensic Team, he has responsibility for a caseload of community based patients. He also has a liaison role to the Lambeth psychiatric intensive care unit. He is honorary consultant in psychiatry to the British army since May 2002. Professor Fahy was proposed to the Tribunal as an expert witness by the Commissioner of the Garda Sı´ocha´na.

Professor Kevin Malone. MD., MRCPsych., FRCPI., Professor of Clinical Psychiatry, Department of Psychiatry and Mental Health Research attached to St Vincent’s hospital, Dublin and University College Dublin. Professor Malone has a special expertise inter alia in the following clinical and research areas: mood disorders — psychopharmacology of treatment resistant depression; maintenance therapies in the treatment of bipolar disorder; the assessment and treatment of suicidal behavior in major psychiatric disorders; and, the psychobiology of suicidal behavior in major psychiatric disorders. Professor Malone was proposed to the Tribunal as an expert witness by Dr. David Shanley.

Professor John Harbison. State Pathologist, (now retired), who carried out the official post-mortem on the subject.


3. Other experts

Mr. Tony O’Keeffe. Consultant civil engineer and partner in the firm of Tony O’Keeffe & Partners, Kanturk, Co. Cork. Mr. O’Keeffe provided information to the Tribunal in relation to engineering matters, mapping and topography of the scene at Abbeylara.